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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:47:00 -
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Mary Kingsley wrote:http://www.twitch.tv/zbezz/b/435055648
How can ccp look the other way .
This has to be wrong
Then explain why or GTFO.
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Posted - 2013.07.25 07:12:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Then explain why or GTFO. It's generally bad for a game if third party software gives some players a huge advantage (automated or not). The Eve community has such a dense developer/IT component that CCP can get away with semi-integrated third party tools, but the OP's intuition is fairly reasonable given that almost every other game takes a stricter stance.
Whats the advantage?
10 way split with 10x the loot is 1x rate of gain.
It gives CCP 9 extra subs.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:35:00 -
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Shave Well wrote:ISBoxer and macros a gray area that CCP neglects Both, with 1 click can do multiple actions automatically: ISBoxer do it simultaneously on several selected pre-defined accounts, macros do it for a certain amount of time and have to be called on any selected account you want to run it. Very few diferences, for the same result: automation, less click stress. First is not against the rules, but the second is.  The major difference is macros can be run while player is afk and ISBoxer needs a human in front of PC as far as i know CCP wants ele online players to be social, however they permit the use of programs like ISBoxer (insert shock face). Finally, the only reasons i can figure to the legality of this program are: they can't detect it (yet) or they want to catch the remaining bot users that still use ISBoxer on their bot programs
Less button clicks aren't against the eula, gaining things and a disproportionate rate are.
Example ; You have a macro keyboard. You set it up to do the pseudo covert ops cloak trick that can be done manually quite easily. You are not gaining anything except not having to do the same repetitive motions. That's legal.
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Posted - 2013.07.26 04:29:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:S Byerley wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Then explain why or GTFO. It's generally bad for a game if third party software gives some players a huge advantage (automated or not). The Eve community has such a dense developer/IT component that CCP can get away with semi-integrated third party tools, but the OP's intuition is fairly reasonable given that almost every other game takes a stricter stance. Whats the advantage? 10 way split with 10x the loot is 1x rate of gain. It gives CCP 9 extra subs. Presuming he makes 70mil/character and plays 10 hours a week at it, he'll be seeing ~30bil a month, with a bit over 5bil / mo costs if plexing the characters. Consider it currently the same as holding 10 R64s for the month.
And he'll have the same amount of ISK leftover per toon as everyone else in New Eden who makes 70 mil an hour. And he'll spend the same amount of time farming PLEX as anyone who makes 70 mil an hour.
Quote:Obviously, 10x manpower doesn't equate to 10x loot. I mean, the posted video is of soloing incursions. I'm all ears if you can't teach me to run incursions efficiently in a solo apoc.
He's also presumably buying PLEX with all the incursion money. I don't feel like having a bad economics discussion, but buying 9x PLEX does NOT directly equate to paying CCP 9x subscriptions.
I can teach you to run vanguards in 10 ships on 10 accounts total. You cant run Incursions efficiently in any amount of Apocs.
Buying PLEX, GTC, or Subs does equate to money CCP is collecting. All 3 of those items can be purchased and activated at a later date so save the economics rhetoric.
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:52:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Buying PLEX, GTC, or Subs does equate to money CCP is collecting. All 3 of those items can be purchased and activated at a later date so save the economics rhetoric. PLEX equates to money that CCP collected in the past. Buying PLEX increases the demand, but that doesn't necessarily increase the supply - let alone directly equate to paying CCP money. I hate over complicated economic nonsense more than the next guy, but this is a pretty fundamental thing you can't assume.
You can buy single PLEX directly from CCP.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:48:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:And he'll have the same amount of ISK leftover per toon as everyone else in New Eden who makes 70 mil an hour. And he'll spend the same amount of time farming PLEX as anyone who makes 70 mil an hour. How can you even write this and act like it's correct? The guy has 25bil left over to do with what he wishes, he has no obligation to spend it on each of the characters evenly. Can you make 25bil in 40 hours?
I'm totally cheating because I send billions from my industry alt to my PvP alt.
Ban me CCP I'm making my PvP character gain Isk at an ill proportionate rate.
And honestly another great reason to fix the war dec system. It would be exceedingly simple to kill someone running 10 clients in an incursion.
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:32:00 -
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Quote:Sure, If one of the owners says its okay and that is a official statement from CCP, not a GM, then I might accept it. Until then we, as players, will consider it a exploit, equal with botting.
The quote above is from a Dev blog.
You do accept it and have no choice other than to rage quit.
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Posted - 2013.07.27 08:03:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Tobias Hareka wrote:Where do you think that PLEX came from in the first place? Yes, someone bought hat PLEX from CCP earlier. Yes, and that person gave CCP money, not the one who bought it on the in-game market; it's incorrect to assume that someone will go out and buy another PLEX from CCP because one was removed from the market. This is basic ****; you really need to **** off if you don't get it.
You can buy PLEX directly from CCP.
Directly.
from.
CCP
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:47:00 -
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Quote:b. PLEX are extremely special because they throw real money and less dedicated Eve players into the equation
Brilliant argument. I couldn't have said it better if I ate a 10 strip
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Posted - 2013.07.30 04:05:00 -
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If ISBoxer could be applied to forum posting somehow it would be absolutely delicious.
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:59:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:Oh gosh, no way... I didn't think there'd be an ******* like this that does it in Eve.
This thing falls in the gray area that nobody seems to want to tackle, neither Blizzard, nor CCP, nor any other MMO developer.
But eventually somebody HAS to. And I'd rather it were CCP that did.
They ******* did, they allowed it.
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